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This leads to logical contradiction where rational causes and what created the Cosmos is not coherent with Rational Cause (Logic - Logos) and is incoherent and/or fake. It also leads to the contradiction that the Cosmos and instances of Rational Cause are not proof of Rational Cause coherent with the Origin of the Cosmos. That is a logically incoherent and rationally untenable position that can be analyzed and then set aside as such (illogic). \n\nFormal Proof: \n\n{P, P <-> Q, Q -> R, P -> S, S <-> T, S} |= (P & Q) & (R & S) & T\n\nConclusion: \n\nRational Cause is God and this is proven not only through this formal proof but through what this proof invokes, which is all the various instances of rational causes and their effects in Nature/Reality, which could not exist if the general concept of Rational Cause (Logos - God) did not exist as the logically coherent Foundation of Reality. 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