{"ok":true,"protocol":"maclain_hunter_q_number_item_v1","qid":"Q1399","item":{"qid":"Q1399","slug":"hunter-mathematics-foundational-coherence","path":"/q/Q1399","subdomain":"q1399.4p-engine.com","schemaType":"CreativeWork","recordOrigin":"authored_source","authoredSource":{"author":"Maclain Hunter","text":"The Logical Derivation of Mathematics from Foundational Coherence by Maclain Hunter:\n\nPremises:\n\nP: Logically speaking, you can have Logic without involving mathematics and number but you cannot have mathematics, arithmetic, or number without Logic and the framework in which mathematical and numerical units or functions exist.\n\nQ: It would be illogical to have a worldview where Logic is not supreme. \n\nR: Math and number are inherent in Logic's qualitative and logical Coherence (Oneness), and in the Oneness of Reality that is coherent with that. Mathematical operations are quantitative logical operations.

S: The Oneness of Identity gives absolute grounding to the concept of other numbers which are all based on the concept of a coherent unit. Without this grounding in the Logos, the very idea of \"other\" numbers, and the formal systems of mathematics, would have no rational basis.\n\nT: Assume the negation of the premises {P, Q, R, S}. This leads to logical contradiction and an illogical notion of mathematics and/or mathematical logic, where math is somehow not based on the coherence and unity (quantitative and qualitative or “universal”) of Logic (the Logos or “Logical Grounding of Logic and the Cosmos”) that logically and philosophically serves as the Foundational Coherence underpinning the sciences and mathematics, as well as any coherent formal systems of Logic (that would otherwise be arbitrary and subjective).
\nLogical Argument (Proof):

{P, P <-> Q, Q <-> R, R <-> S, S <-> T} |= (P & Q) & (R & S) & T

Conclusion: {P, Q, R, S, T}: 

Math is logically derived. To posit otherwise contradicts Logic, which unlike mathematics, (Logic) is the Logical Standard. This means that even within mathematics Logic is the Standard of Validity that determines what is or is not valid “Mathematical Logic” and what the rules are that govern mathematical systems, including systems of arithmetic. 

Logic encompassing ordered change leads to logical and mathematical operations, as these continuous changes, as observed in physical motion and the evolution of the Cosmos and ecosystems (or biological systems), fundamentally are logical operations, just as universal forms of logical operations applied to quantity and in quantitative reasoning lead to and equate to mathematical operations and functions. 
\nMathematical operations amount to quantitative logical operations and the logical manipulation of units (based on the coherent unit or “one”) through operators of various kinds that find their own analogue in qualitative logical reasoning, like addition and conjunction, or subtraction and disjunction. 

Without Foundational Logical Coherence (the Logos), also understood as the Logical Grounding of Logic and the Coherence and Oneness of Logic itself, the concept of a coherent unit would lack Foundation and meaning, instead of finding its analogue in the unity of Reality itself. In a truly logical worldview, even the worldview of a mathematician, Logic must supersede all else including mathematics itself, and Mathematical Logic should be seen as the bridge between Logic (Logos) and systems of mathematics/arithmetic. 
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Mathematical operations are quantitative logical operations.

S: The Oneness of Identity gives absolute grounding to the concept of other numbers which are all based on the concept of a coherent unit. Without this grounding in the Logos, the very idea of \"other\" numbers, and the formal systems of mathematics, would have no rational basis.\n\nT: Assume the negation of the premises {P, Q, R, S}. This leads to logical contradiction and an illogical notion of mathematics and/or mathematical logic, where math is somehow not based on the coherence and unity (quantitative and qualitative or “universal”) of Logic (the Logos or “Logical Grounding of Logic and the Cosmos”) that logically and philosophically serves as the Foundational Coherence underpinning the sciences and mathematics, as well as any coherent formal systems of Logic (that would otherwise be arbitrary and subjective).
\nLogical Argument (Proof):

{P, P <-> Q, Q <-> R, R <-> S, S <-> T} |= (P & Q) & (R & S) & T

Conclusion: {P, Q, R, S, T}: 

Math is logically derived. To posit otherwise contradicts Logic, which unlike mathematics, (Logic) is the Logical Standard. This means that even within mathematics Logic is the Standard of Validity that determines what is or is not valid “Mathematical Logic” and what the rules are that govern mathematical systems, including systems of arithmetic. 

Logic encompassing ordered change leads to logical and mathematical operations, as these continuous changes, as observed in physical motion and the evolution of the Cosmos and ecosystems (or biological systems), fundamentally are logical operations, just as universal forms of logical operations applied to quantity and in quantitative reasoning lead to and equate to mathematical operations and functions. 
\nMathematical operations amount to quantitative logical operations and the logical manipulation of units (based on the coherent unit or “one”) through operators of various kinds that find their own analogue in qualitative logical reasoning, like addition and conjunction, or subtraction and disjunction. 

Without Foundational Logical Coherence (the Logos), also understood as the Logical Grounding of Logic and the Coherence and Oneness of Logic itself, the concept of a coherent unit would lack Foundation and meaning, instead of finding its analogue in the unity of Reality itself. In a truly logical worldview, even the worldview of a mathematician, Logic must supersede all else including mathematics itself, and Mathematical Logic should be seen as the bridge between Logic (Logos) and systems of mathematics/arithmetic. 
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